find the vertex

haliebre said:
I need help finding the vertex for -x2 + 6x -8
Are you acquainted with "Completing the Square"? That's the easiest way unless you know something about x = -b/2a.
 
Watch the signs.
(x-3)^2 is NOT = x^2 -6x -9
Try again. You are close.
 
I need more help. I am stuck from here. I thought I had to take half of the six and get three and then square it to get nine and then subtract it from each side. Or do I have to add it to each side?
 
\(\displaystyle \L
\begin{array}{l}
- x^2 + 6x - 8 &=& - \left( {x^2 - 6x + 9} \right) - 8 + 9 \\
&=& - \left( {x - 3} \right)^2 + 1 \\
\end{array}\)
 
Yup, as PKA indicated, you have to add it. For (ax+b)² or (ax-b)², b² is always positive.
 
Hello, haliebre!

I need help finding the vertex for: \(\displaystyle y\;=\; -x^2\,+\,6x\,-\,8\)
Didn't your teacher show you the "vertex formula"?

For the parabola, \(\displaystyle y\:=\:ax^2\,+\,bx\,+\,c\), the vertex is at: \(\displaystyle \:x\;=\;\frac{-b}{2a}\)

This parabola has: \(\displaystyle \,a\,=\,-1,\;\;b\,=\,6,\;\;c\,=\,-8\)

So we have: \(\displaystyle \,x\:=\:\frac{-6}{2(-1)}\:=\:3\)

Then: \(\displaystyle \,y\:=\:-3^2\,+\,6(3)\,-\,8\:=\:1\)

The vertex is: \(\displaystyle \,(3,\,1)\)

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[rant]
At this point, someone will counter with "I'd rather not have the student
\(\displaystyle \;\;\)blindly memorize a list of formulas. \(\displaystyle \;\)I prefer Understanding."

Fine, be that way . . .
But this is just one teensy formula in a future of hundreds of formulas.

When this student gets to Differential Equations and has: \(\displaystyle \,\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}\,-4\frac{dy}{dx}\,+\,5y\;=\;0\)

I hope he/she can find the roots: \(\displaystyle \,m\:=\:2\,\pm\,i\) without completing-the-square.


I hope he/she has blindly memorized: \(\displaystyle \,\frac{d}{dx}(\sin x) \,=\,\cos x\)

\(\displaystyle \;\;\)instead of going through \(\displaystyle \,\lim_{h\to0}\frac{f(x+h)\,-\,f(x)}{h}\) every time.


And I certainly hope that \(\displaystyle \,7\,\times\,8\:=\;56\) is already hard-wired in his/her brain.


Understanding is a good thing.
I teach all concepts with the goal of Understanding.
And when it's time to move on, I do so.

I will show them formula, shortcuts, theorems, etc. to facilitate the work.
\(\displaystyle \;\;\)(And this is not my idea . . . they are in the textbooks, mind you.)

This is not Blind Memorizing . . .it's called Learning Mathematics!
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soroban said:
This is not Blind Memorizing . . .it's called Learning Mathematics![/rant]
I totally disagree with that.
I call that “being hopelessly out of touch with what is going on in mathematics reform.”
Why in the world should any one learn a formula for the vertex of a parabola? Actually graphing utilities have made that obsolete.
I can see wanting a student to be able to apply completing a square.
What a basic principle to know how to use. I am all for back to basics!
But like partial fractions, anyone will have a very hard time convening me that knowing a formula for the vertex of a parabola is basic to any understanding.

On a trip to America in the 1930’s, Einstein was asked by a reporter to tell him the value of pi to ten decimal places. His answer “Good lord man I do not remember anything that I can look up”.
 
pka said:
I call that “being hopelessly out of touch with what is going on in mathematics reform.”
Why in the world should any one learn a formula for the vertex of a parabola?
Actually graphing utilities have made that obsolete.
I can see wanting a student to be able to apply completing a square.
But why? . . . if the graphing utilities will give you all the facts: vertex, focus, directrix.

What a basic principle to know how to use. I am all for back to basics!
But it's okay to use graphing ultilities to by-pass several chapters of basics?

But like partial fractions, anyone will have a very hard time convening me
that knowing a formula for the vertex of a parabola is basic to any understanding.
Hey, we derive the formula . . . that's where the understanding comes in.

By your reasoning, the formula for the circumference of circle must wait until Calculus 2 or 3,
\(\displaystyle \;\;\)when Arc Length is taught . . . that is, we can't use \(\displaystyle \,C\:=\:\pi d\) until we understand the basics.
If we do, we're hopelessly out of touch with what's going on in mathematical reform.
\(\displaystyle \;\;\)And heaven forbid, we ever use \(\displaystyle \,A\,=\,\frac{1}{2}bh\)

Why must we learn about Riemann sums when our calculators will integrate anything?
Why do we bother teaching long division when everyone uses calculators anyway?


Funny, this issue always arises with the "vertex of a parabola" formula.
\(\displaystyle \;\;\)What is it about this one formula that sets people off?

It's okay to memorize that: \(\displaystyle \,7\,\times\,8\:=\:56\,\) or that: \(\displaystyle A\:=\:\pi r^2\)
\(\displaystyle \;\;\)but somehow \(\displaystyle \,x\,=\,\frac{-b}{2a}\) is an assualt on human sensibilities.
It evidently is an totally useless piece of information and should be stricken from all textbooks.
\(\displaystyle \;\;\)Go figure . . .
 
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